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| koppite | Mar 30 2010, 03:07 PM Post #76 |
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FFS lets ban everthing, including swearing.Nothing to have a moan at then. :silence: I suppose most of the population would have to be treated for being bored out of their brains because football is banned as well. Good job I dont have long to exsist, so I'd better nip down to the pub before it is closed.Make sure you turn the lights out :drink: |
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| Woodbine | Mar 30 2010, 04:01 PM Post #77 |
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So from where else would the government replace the lost income? Print it? For starters, the NHS would lose millions in grants and would probably have to charge a fee for hospital and ambulance service for treatment of certain illnesses or injuries. For instance, treatment for motoring accident injuries might have to be covered by your vehicle insurance which would, in turn, increase your premiums drastically. Not a 'scare tactic', just logic. |
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| baron von bluenose | Mar 30 2010, 04:17 PM Post #78 |
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Bob Latchford
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well going back to an earlier post why dont they make fags that are not full of chemicals like the addictive nicotine, they would only have to pass a law and people could still smoke but without the ill effects been so bad, but they make so much from smokers why would they |
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| Raters | Mar 30 2010, 04:27 PM Post #79 |
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Bob Latchford
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As opposed to the extra tax they currently pay? |
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| treetop | Mar 30 2010, 04:50 PM Post #80 |
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probably the most sensible comment on here so far. **thumbup
Which makes it a stupid idea because as you say no-one knows, You can't ban it altogether then when you find out you've shot youself in the foot say Oh! that didn't work let's change back to how it was. |
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| valleyblue | Mar 30 2010, 05:14 PM Post #81 |
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Paul Tait
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It's simple maths - £18.2billion in Tax & VAT from cigarettes & booze has to be replaced somehow (I'm not even counting the lost revenue because of higher unemployment due to closures of pubs,breweries,lays of at supermarkets and closures of small retailers) divided by 31.7 million tax-payers. Of course they'd be unlikely to put it all on income tax but it'd be spread over VAT, fuel etc. Whatever, it would still mean an increase in prices. As Woodbine says every man, woman and child would be paying extra. I'm not using scare tactics at all simply stating that if you want to take £18.2 billion out of the economy you have to replace it. Ask Alistair Darling if you don't believe me. There again you could just leave a big hole and we could all enjoy a good old 1920's style depression. |
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| pooley | Mar 30 2010, 06:00 PM Post #82 |
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ok and what is the extra burden of police in a&e on thursday, fri, sat and sunday nights, the extra costs on the health service for treating the people who have to have medical assistance, the fact that some peopel go on long term sick/disability because of alcohol dependancy/harm and medical problems from smoking. I have a member of my family who is getting benifits and earnign almnost as much as I am working and he doesnt have to pay half of what I do all because he is an alcoholic - why should my money go to him when it is his own irresponicbility that he has found himself in the situation he is in - not making him work and giving him money makes matters worse because he has more money and time on his hands, gets bored and ends up drinking more and more. |
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| fatlad | Mar 30 2010, 06:06 PM Post #83 |
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< < at hte end of the day pooley we are getting shafted every which way you lok at it. This poxy govornment are still borrowing money ( from where might i hasten to add??? :blink: ) and shoving the price of petrol up etc. Im pretty peeved at present as ive had to purchase a newer car with a smaller engine so i get better fuel economy, and cheaper tax and insurance as my company has decided to up sticks and move from near the airport to Coventry. My old car drank the fuel too much so i had to sell. Also to make matters worse they are moving my shift hours so i will potentially be losing 150 rats a month as well so i am shafted twice. oh the joys of living in the UK. If only i could persuade the wife to emigrat i chuffin would < < |
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| valleyblue | Mar 30 2010, 06:28 PM Post #84 |
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Paul Tait
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Those problems will not go away overnight - There will still be people with health problems from smoking, A&E would likely have to deal with effects of "illegal" alcohol, so Police would still have to attend A&E. But you've lost a huge chunk of the money that helps to cover these issues. Unless of course you take the rather draconian viewpoint of "Your problem was caused by you doing something illegal so we are not going to treat you" Then you open up a whole new can of worms - Say you are in a road accident and injured, the accident is not your fault. However at the time of the accident you were slowing down having gone from a 40 mph zone to a 30 mph zone (you're on a road you don't know well so you only started to slow when you saw the sign) at the time of the accident you were in the 30 zone but were doing 35mph (which is illegal). You are injured - would you still expect treatment? Banning alcohol never has and never will stop alcoholism - Prohibition is the US actually cost them more to Police than dealing with the problems alcohol caused. Yet earned the criminal fraternity hundreds of thousands of dollars. There is no reason to believe it would be any different here policing illegal fags & booze. It simply isn't a black & white argument and never will be. |
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| wardendbluenose | Mar 30 2010, 07:53 PM Post #85 |
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Are these people going out the same people that championed the smoking ban in pubs because the nasty smokers were stopping them going out to their local. I'm still waiting for them to turn up at mine! |
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| Deleted User | Mar 30 2010, 07:58 PM Post #86 |
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A wild stab in the dark, wouldn't even scratch the surface of the extra billions we'd have to find. I may be wrong though, perhaps coppers' wages have gone up from the 17k a year my mate was on 10 years ago when he first joined up. Really mate, your contradictions are like something straight out of the Jeremy Kyle show. |
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| valleyblue | Mar 30 2010, 08:36 PM Post #87 |
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Paul Tait
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Seems they must be. There are 4 pubs by me with lease for rent or for sale signs. The one closest is run by a fella who went to school with my wife. He has been struggling for the last 2 years, which is coincidentaly when the smoking ban came in. He says at first it wasn't to bad (although there was an immediate drop off in trade) but last summer really saw the start of a decline. His view is that 90% of his old regulars used to smoke and they'd come in have a couple of pints and a chat with their mates. Now they go to Tesco by some cans and their mates go round to their house. The few that still go drink less because they stay a shorter time and the trade has not been replaced by non-smokers because, guess what?, they're round at their mates house so they can have a drink with him and he can have a fag. Oh and don't say well he could more in by doing meals etc...this is a PUB..you know like the Woodman in Curzon St. No frills just beer and good company. It ain't equipped to do meals and the investment required is simply not viable. |
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| valleyblue | Mar 30 2010, 08:48 PM Post #88 |
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Paul Tait
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Starting rate for a Constable is currently £22,680 per year (there are gradations but that is the very basic) So that means you'd need to lose 802,469 constables to recoup your £18.2 billion now that's a little tricky seeing as the total number of Police Officers in England and Wales at the end of September 2009 was only 241,621. Now I know they ain't all on basic pay but I do think disbanding the Police Force is probably a bad idea. So the theoretical savings made by possibly not having a couple of Constables in A&E a couple of nights a week are definitely not going to make even a tiny dent. |
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| treetop | Mar 31 2010, 08:49 AM Post #89 |
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My guess is that the idiots who throw everything and anything down their necks every weekend and finish up in A & E cost the NHS far more than smokers do. Not that I'm condoning smoking, but when was the last time you heard that a smoker was done for driving under the influence of nicotine. |
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| PartisanBCFC | Apr 1 2010, 04:04 AM Post #90 |
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Morphine is a similar narcotic to Heroin produced in similar fashion if I'm not mistaken .....Morphine was also a common pain killer for wounded soldiers during both World Wars Here in the States many doctors in certain states prescribe Marijuana cigarette joints for extreme pain (usually cancer or arthritic patients) although of course it is still illegal to produce it or use it for non medical or 'pleasure' reasons......In the Caribbean islands you'll find many of the locals smoking marijuana joints (or 'reefers' or 'collies' as they are known) I'm sure my next door neighbour is growing it Ever heard the saying....The 'Grass' is always greener on the other side "" I'll get me coat :silence: |
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